A role with no pool and no charter starts anyway, and nothing at boot says so #613
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Found live on this host on 2026-09-20 while running the fleetd #609 unit.
fleet_listreported my hunter member withcharterSource: "none"andcharterBytes: 799, while the dev members on the same host reportedcharterSource: "fleet.charters.dev"andcharterBytes: 1775.The cause was that our
fleetd.yamlhad nofleet.hunters:pool and nofleet.charters.hunter:entry. Both gaps are silent, and they have different consequences.What I measured
I ran the live daemon's own loader (
java -cp fleetd/target/fleetd.jaragainst a smallFleetConfig.loadscript), on the config before my fix and after it.profiles:has 8 entries.candidateProfiles(HUNTER)[local, local-direct, gx, opus, sonnet, sol, terra, xf][sonnet, terra, local]defaultProfileFor(HUNTER)localsonnetcharterFor(HUNTER)nullvalidateMembers()returned ok in both cases.Why the pool half is the worse one
A missing pool is not a failure. It is documented as "unconstrained" in
FleetConfig.candidateProfiles(FleetConfig.java:1817) and inCompositePeerLauncher.poolFor(CompositePeerLauncher.java:598-603): an empty pool falls back to every configured profile. That fallback is deliberate and I am not asking for it to change — it is what lets a config withprofiles:and nofleet:still spawn.The problem is what it does in a config that does declare pools for the other three roles. An unqualified
role: hunterspawn silently widened to all 8 profiles, and thefixed-policy first choice becamelocal— a profile this same config gives weight 0 to in every other pool, so it is disabled everywhere an operator looks. Nobody chose that. It fell out of definition order inprofiles:.Why the charter half is less bad
A missing charter already has a working instrument.
HerdrPeerLauncher.logCharterReceipt(HerdrPeerLauncher.java:549) logscharterSource=on every spawn, andSessionManager.java:887puts it on thefleet_listroster row. That is exactly how I found this. So the charter gap is observable after the fact, per member.Still, the member ran with only the launcher's 799-byte reply charter, so it had no role contract at all. It behaved, because the brief named the
hunterskill, but the charter is the layer that reaches every backend and the skill is not.What I think the fix is
Not a refusal. "Unconstrained" is legitimate, and refusing to start would break the no-
fleet:-block case that the fallback exists for.A boot log line is enough: after
validateMembers(), list the roles inMemberRole.values()that have an empty pool, and separately the ones with nocharterFor, naming what each will do instead — "hunter has nofleet.hunters:pool, so an unqualified spawn may land on any of 8 profiles, firstlocal". The operator then sees it once per restart, at the moment they can act on it, instead of discovering it from a roster row weeks later.Worth checking whether the same line should name the resolved first-choice profile per role, since that is the number that surprised me, not the pool membership.
Not part of this issue
I have already added
fleet.hunters:andfleet.charters.hunter:to this host'sfleetd.yaml. That file is gitignored, so that change is invisible to the repo and it takes effect only at the next daemon restart — which is why I am recording the measurement here. It fixes one host. It does not fix the silence.Both halves are now live on the Mac host, and the before/after is measurable in one log file.
The daemon was redeployed at 17:45 (jar
597af9057197tofddfdd6c9794, pid 25112 to 59847). Then I spawned a hunter with no profile argument — the unqualified case this issue is about.Pool
It landed on
sonnet. Before the config fix,defaultProfileFor(HUNTER)resolved tolocal, so the same call would have picked a weight-0 profile.The boot log also now lists the pool:
Charter
Two
spawned role=hunter profile=sonnetlines, same host, same role, same profile, one before the fix and one after:1774 is 973 (the hunter charter) + 2 (the
\n\nseparator) + 799 (the launcher reply charter), which matches howHerdrPeerLauncher.spawnInternalcomposes them.This does not close the issue
What is fixed is one host's config. What this issue asks for is the boot line, and nothing about that has changed: a role with no pool still starts silently, and the resolved first-choice profile still appears nowhere.
One more line worth adding while someone is in there
The heartbeat's own boot line has the same shape of gap:
It names three of the four settings.
contextHighNudge(fleetd #609) is missing, so the log cannot tell an operator whether the handover notice is armed. I had to load the config with the deployed jar to confirm it wastrue. Same fix, same place: print the value that decides the behaviour, not just the ones that happen to be numbers.Fixed and merged as
9ee16f5(PR #616)Both halves landed: the role-fallback boot report, and
contextHighNudgeadded to the lead-heartbeat boot line.Verified by me, not taken from the worker's report
mvn -o clean install, unpiped:Tests run: 1870, Failures: 0, Errors: 0, Skipped: 0— BUILD SUCCESS.mainwas 1864, so +6 (4 newRoleFallbackGapReportTest, 2 newLeadHeartbeatLoopTest).fleet().profilesFor(role).isEmpty(). That matters:profilesFor(FleetConfig.java:1292) returns the raw pool and can be empty, whilecandidateProfiles(:1828) applies the fallback and therefore never is. Using the latter would have made the report a permanent no-op that still looked correct.ch.qos.logback.core.read.ListAppenderand assert ongetFormattedMessage().profiles:-only config with nofleet:block still loads.fleetd/src. Nofleetd.yaml, no.mcp.json, nowikipointer.Dogfooded against the real config, with a control
Ran the merged method through the built jar against this host's live
fleetd/fleetd.yaml:Nothing. That zero proves nothing on its own, so I paired it with a positive control — a
profiles:-only config with two profiles and nofleet:block:So the report works and INFO prints at runtime. The silence on the live config is a real "no gaps on this host" — the
fleet.hunters:andfleet.charters.hunter:entries added on 2026-09-20 closed the gap this ticket was opened about. The line will now say so at boot on any host that still has it.Two things this does NOT do
Fleetd.mainis not pinned. I measured it: replacingreportRoleFallbackGaps(cfg)with a comment leaves the suite fully green (1870, 0 failures), while making the method body inert turns it red (2 failures, 1 error). The method is tested; its invocation is not. That is #612's shape and I have recorded it there as a 17th site rather than papering over it with a source-text assertion. Merged with that gap open and tracked.fleetpools and charters are hot — they can change without a restart — so an operator who introduces a gap by reloading will not see the line until the next restart. The ticket asked for "once per restart" and that is what shipped, so this is a scope note, not a defect. Worth a follow-up if it bites.Not merged, still true
The daemon is still running the jar built from
076cc43. A merge is not a deployment, so these lines will not appear in the live log until the next redeploy.Closing this ticket. The two items above are tracked where they belong.